Thursday, October 8, 2009

Jody vs. the Vegan the next day

AND THEN THE NEXT DAY. . . She came back with more.
More of the same
Day late and a dollar short.
She never answered any of my questions. She's still ranting about us being cruel murderers. More name calling and personal attacks. That's a way to win friends and influence people. There was one thing new--Now we're destroying the environment.
Continue reading and get inside the mind of an intense animal activist.

VEGAN: You know about the chickens yet you do not care? That hideous treatment and cruelty bothers you not? And frankly, you haven't "come back" with any evidence substantiating your position other than personal motive. What you are indeed asserting is that you eat steak now so that the planet can support food necessity in 40 years? Are you kidding? The only numbers you have shown is vitamins. Sweetie, I am vegan, I gave birth to a healthy child, and both she and I are healthy. Your naturopathic doctor? Are you serious? Why would I care what he says when my gyno and personal physician and pediatrician are completely unconcerned? Is that a joke??? What will the extra farming do to the water supply? Really? You mean animals don't drink water and CAFO's don't pollute our environment?Despite substantial improvements in the nation's water quality since the inception of the Clean Water Act, nearly 40 percent of the nation's assessed waters show impairments from a wide range of sources. Improper management of manure from CAFOs is among the many contributors to remaining water quality problems. Improperly managed manure has caused serious acute and chronic water quality problems throughout the United States."http://www.epa.state.il.us/water/cafo/

... Read MoreCanadian source:"Primary agriculture is responsible for more than 10 per cent of the total greenhouse gas emissions caused by human activities. It is estimated that up to 40 per cent of these farming-related emissions come from the production of livestock, including manure stored in open-air earthen storage areas or applied to the land as fertilizer. Untreated sewage that is used as fertilizer may also contaminate groundwater and nearby lakes and rivers. "http://www.ec.gc.ca/science/sandemay01/article2_e.html"

One of the largest pork companies on the East Coast was fined $12.6 million - the largest water pollution fine ever- for dumping hog waste into a Chesapeake Bay tributary.U.S. District Judge Rebecca B. Smith ruled Aug. 8 that Smithfield Foods Inc. was liable for nearly 7,000 violations of the Clean Water Act since 1991. She said she wanted at least a portion of the fine to be used for Chesapeake Bay restoration efforts. The ruling resulted from an EPA lawsuit that accused Smithfield of polluting the Pagan River and destroying documents to cover it up.Smithfield Foods, which slaughters pigs and packs the meat in two plants on the river, was accused of dumping illegal levels of hog waste into the river for several years. The decaying waste and excrement raised the levels of phosphorous and other elements in the river, poisoning shellfish beds. The Pagan River has been closed to shellfishing for 27 years because of high levels of fecal bacteria and is considered unhealthy for swimming. "http://www.bayjournal.com/97-09/fine.htm"

On June 25, in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Mo., Tyson Foods Inc., pled guilty to 20 felony violations of the federal Clean Water Act and agreed to pay $7.5 million to the United States and the State of Missouri. The plea agreement will settle all federal and state charges against the company for illegal discharges at its Sedalia, Mo., processing plant. In addition, Tyson Foods will hire an outside environmental consultant to audit the Sedalia plant’s environmental management program and will implement an improved environmental program based on the audit’s findings. Each day, the Sedalia plant processes approximately 1 million pounds of chicken and generates hundreds of thousands of gallons of wastewater. Between 1996 and 2001, the plant repeatedly discharged untreated or inadequately treated wastewater from the Sedalia plant in violation of the limits in its discharge permit. Repeated citations and lawsuits by the State of Missouri did not bring the plant into compliance. Discharging wastewater containing higher than permitted levels of processing wastes can harm fish and wildlife and make surface waters unuseable for recreational and drinking water purposes. The case was investigated by the EPA Criminal Investigation Division, the Missouri Department of Natural Resources, the Missouri Attorney General’s Office and the FBI with the assistance of EPA’s National Enforcement Investigations Center. It is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Kansas City, Mo., and the Environmental Crimes Section of the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C.http://www.agobservatory.org/agribusiness_records.cfm?nID=125http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/a876fc446ef4378785256d5800666a18?OpenDocument

Cargill Pork Inc., which operates a 17,000 pig farming operation in Martinsburg, Mo., pleaded guilty to violating the Clean Water Act and will pay out a total of $1,551,000, including a fine of $1 million, $51,000 in restitution to the State of Missouri for natural resources damages and the costs of investigation and $500,000 in already spent remediation costs. The defendant admitted illegally discharging hog waste from holding ponds at its facility into the Loutre River, which is a tributary of the Missouri River. The discharge occurred due to a failure to properly operate waste management equipment. In addition, no report of the release was made to the Missouri Department of Natural Resources. After the release, 53,000 fish were killed along a five mile stretch of the Loutre River. The case was investigated by EPA’s Criminal Investigation Division, the Department of Defense Criminal Investigative Service, the Missouri Department of Natural Resources and the Missouri Attorney General’s Office with the assistance of EPA’s National Enforcement Investigations Center. The case was prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office in St. Louis.http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/b1ab9f485b098972852562e7004dc686/4dc49cd1c44b8a6c85256b6e006f01f5?OpenDocument"

Approximately half of the 50 million pounds of antibiotics produced in the United States are used for agriculture and half for human health. Recent studies in Europe indicate that pharmaceutical compounds are common contaminants in surface water. Radioimmunoassay tests developed for clinical and regulatory use were adapted to screen for multiple classes of antibiotics in liquid waste and surface-water. A tandem reverse phase/mixed mode solid-phase extraction and liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry method was used to analyze for 21 analytes from four classes of antibiotics. Initial results indicate that antibiotics are transported into surface and ground water in areas with animal feeding operations and wastewater-treatment plants."http://www.epa.gov/esd/chemistry/ppcp/acs-mar2000.htm

Several health and welfare problems seen predominantly in meat-type birds are related to rapid growth rate. A correlated response to the selection of turkeys for increased body weight and a broad breast is the development of deep muscle myopathy (atrophy of the inferior pectoralis muscle) caused by an inadequate blood supply to the tissues. Both turkeys and meat chickens exhibit skeletal disorders, particularly in the bones of the pelvic limb (femur, patella, tibia, metatarsus) and their associated tendons. Skeletal abnormalities can be further exacerbated by the resulting motor impediments. The lack of synchronous growth among body components in broilers, including the heart and lungs, can contribute to pulmonary hypertension causing excess fluids in the body (ascites). An additional problem is 'sudden death syndrome,' the cause of which is unknown.These health problems are of great concern to the poultry industry, and considerable research is being conducted on the negative aspects associated with rapid growth in today's broilers.http://ars.sdstate.edu/animaliss/poultry.html...

Read More"Abstract: The behavioural responses of groups of seven lambswere compared with control groups after castration and taildocking by rubber rings, application of a Burdizzo clamp inaddition to a rubber ring, and after surgical castration atfive, 21, and 42 days. All methods at all ages produced changesin behaviour which were interpreted as indicative ofconsiderable pain."http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/oldbib/qb9513.htm

Negative health conditions and inhumane situations due to artificially promoting weight and size:Several health and welfare problems seen predominantly in meat-type birds are related to rapid growth rate. A correlated response to the selection of turkeys for increased body weight and a broad breast is the development of deep muscle myopathy (atrophy of the inferior pectoralis muscle) caused by an inadequate blood supply to the tissues. Both turkeys and meat chickens exhibit skeletal disorders, particularly in the bones of the pelvic limb (femur, patella, tibia, metatarsus) and their associated tendons. Skeletal abnormalities can be further exacerbated by the resulting motor impediments. The lack of synchronous growth among body components in broilers, including the heart and lungs, can contribute to pulmonary hypertension causing excess fluids in the body (ascites). An additional problem is 'sudden death syndrome,' the cause of which is unknown.These health problems are of great concern to the poultry industry, and considerable research is being conducted on the negative aspects associated with rapid growth in today's broilers.http://ars.sdstate.edu/animaliss/poultry.html

There was information with respect to prodding:"Bruising costs the beef industry about $22 million annually. The 1995 National Beef Quality Audit found that bruising cost the industry $4.03 for every fed animal marketed, a significant increase over the 1991 quality audit. To decrease bruising, use a prod only to the extent necessary. Don't beat cattle with canes and sticks."http://www.mnbeef.org/bqa/BQA_Manual/Management.htm#FFadditivies

"The No. 1 concern of packers in the 1999 audit was the high incidence of bruising. Only 11.8 percent of cow carcasses did not have a bruise. When a bruise is created on an animal, it takes time for the body to heal. Handling practices at the ranch are very important in minimizing bruises. It is estimated that one-third of bruises occur on the ranch, and the other two-thirds occur in transport and marketing."http://www.thecattlemanmagazine.com/issues/2000/05-00/realizingMore.asp

Literally millions of animals are condemned yearly due to diseases, malformations, and other repulsive conditions. If these animals were being cared for, they would not become so horrifically afflicted.http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/MannUsda/viewDocumentInfo.do?documentID=1497http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/current/PoulSlauSu/PoulSlauSu-02-25-2009.txthttp://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/MannUsda/viewDocumentInfo.do?documentID=1096...

Read MoreIt really sucks to be a chicken or "other bird":The Humane Methods of Slaughter Act:Originally passed in 1958, the law that is enforced today by the USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) was passed as the Humane Slaughter Act of 1978. This Act requires the proper treatment and humane handling of all food animals slaughtered in USDA inspected slaughter plants. It does not apply to chickens or other birds.http://awic.nal.usda.gov/nal_display/index.php?tax_level=1&info_center=3&tax_subject=182

Twenty-Eight Hour Law:Originally enacted in 1873 and 1906, the law was repealed and reenacted in 1994 by PL 103-272. This law requires that animals being transported across state lines (by truck, rail carrier, express carrier, or common carrier (except by air or water)) may not be confined for more than 28 consecutive hours without being unloaded for food, water, and rest. The law is also known as the "Cruelty to Animals Act," the "Live Stock Transportation Act," and the "Food and Rest Law." It does not apply to poultry or to animals being transported in a vehicle where they have food, water, space, and the ability to rest.http://awic.nal.usda.gov/nal_display/index.php?tax_level=1&info_center=3&tax_subject=182

And then another farm guy chimed in: I have been curious to what the animal rights movement would do if for some reason the livestock industry suddenly stopped? Would they care for them.I respect you for expressing your view, even though I don't share them and I am sure that we will agree to disagree on this matter.

Jody, you forgot to mention the extremely high level of estrogen in Soy products, far higher than in red meat. Trent told the numbers on the radio a few weeks ago.

Trent: 3oz of beef 1.69 nanograms of estrogen, 1 teaspoon of soy oil 28,000 nanograms of estrogen

I was on a trip to St. Louis when all this got posted. So I wasn't in a place where I could reply. But I'm kind of at the point of why bother. She's ignoring the debate. Calling names and putting forth some junk science and reports that I find suspect.

I do wonder where she found it. I don't think this was something she pieced together on her own. But the string isn't one I've seen on other sites. If you know her source of all this cruelty infomation, let me know.

1 comment:

  1. I don't know... I've read the two blog entries and rebuttals - I find "Vegan" to be quite well informed and have sufficient documented information.

    But here is a question I will answer to the inquiry of what would happen to all the animals if people were to cease killing them for "food". Of course this is an absurd argument - The elimination of "meat" globally will never happen overnight. It will be a long, drawn out process whereby each year less and less will be consumed. Less and less animals will be bred for the "product". And too, your industry will loose more and more social standing and government support - till eventually, it's just not profitable to grow animals to eat.

    Just look at the dairy industry... 4 times this year they are "retiring" their herd. I predict this will become routine as more people opt for replacements to "cow's milk".

    Nothing will happen that won't be in gradual steps, so the question is easily dismissed as "fantasy". But of the few remaining domestic cows that may eventually be saved - I'm certain many will go into sanctuaries, to live out their lives as nature would allow.

    Lastly, on "soy and tofu"... Gosh, don't you people realize that these alternate protein foods only scratch the surface? There are dozens of varieties of beans and wheat proteins like seitan and quinoa. I have not eaten flesh for over 8 years and I've only eaten "tofu" twice! My dog is also vegan and has never eaten "tofu" at all!

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